GR8677 #9



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thinkexist 20121012 14:37:10  You can solve this by common sense and a little physics.
Firstly, it doesn't make much sense for an electron to be traveling speeds comparable to the size of a proton per second. Exclude A, B, C.
You also know that current works by the propagation of the coulomb force so when you put one electron into a filled tube of electrons a different electron on the other side of the tube pops out because of the coulomb force. Having said that, it doesn't really make much sense for the electron to be traveling 10^3 m/s when there are a ton of electrons it can bounce into including the atoms. Exclude E.
What we have left is D.   flyboy621 20101109 20:51:08  ,
where is the electron charge, is the electron density, is the crosssectional area of the wire, and is the drift velocity.
Solve for , plug in rough numbers, and you get:
, which matches (D).   Ben 20051201 13:23:38  I did it using unit analysis sort of. Boils down to the same thing but I get much closer to 2E4.
100A = 100 C/s
(100 C/s)*(1/1.6E19 e/C) = 6.25E20 e/s
r^2 = E4
(E4 m^2)*(1E28 e/m^3) = E24 e/m (of wire)
Finally:
(6.25E20 e/s)*(1/E24 m/e) which gives pretty close to 2E4
(hopefully my latex pi's worked)  

Comments 
ernest21 20190810 03:09:47  I think m was mass not meter, otherwise it made no sense at all. strategy gamer   joshuaprice153 20190808 06:10:59  Thanks for taking this opportunity to discuss this, I feel fervently about this and I like learning about this subject. event planner Orlando   thinkexist 20121012 14:37:10  You can solve this by common sense and a little physics.
Firstly, it doesn't make much sense for an electron to be traveling speeds comparable to the size of a proton per second. Exclude A, B, C.
You also know that current works by the propagation of the coulomb force so when you put one electron into a filled tube of electrons a different electron on the other side of the tube pops out because of the coulomb force. Having said that, it doesn't really make much sense for the electron to be traveling 10^3 m/s when there are a ton of electrons it can bounce into including the atoms. Exclude E.
What we have left is D.   natestree 20110322 14:47:19  So, I figured the correct answer w/o any knownledge on drift velocity and some simple unit analysis.
Note the units for quantities given.
current is charge per time.
diameter is meters
density is # of particle per cubic meter
we want something in units of meters per second. Therefor, we can use the quantities given to come up with the relation:
=
Where I is current, is the density, e is charge of an electron, and d is the diameter. This gives an answer ~ which is closest to option D.   flyboy621 20101109 20:51:08  ,
where is the electron charge, is the electron density, is the crosssectional area of the wire, and is the drift velocity.
Solve for , plug in rough numbers, and you get:
, which matches (D).
walczyk 20110406 16:27:46 
this is by far the best way to do this. its perfect when you can derive it so quickly and easily like that, i just wish i recognized it too. forget all the equations. follow this. intuition is our friend

  kicksp 20071029 09:42:47  Inspection shows that the choices are separated by several orders of magnitude. Hence, we need only an order of magnitude estimate:
The answer is clearly (D). Throw in the factor and you obtain .
Go maroons!   Andresito 20060314 22:16:53  Your solution stills showing the area proportional to d^(2*ne). Although, it is not to worry.
thanks Yosun.
Andresito 20060314 22:18:21 
"Nevermind"

  wishIwasaphysicist 20060124 11:22:51  oops...you were right. I took the diamter squared and not radius squared. It comes out to 2 E 4 m/s and not 3 E  4 m/s though.   wishIwasaphysicist 20060124 11:08:34  I don't see where the 4 in front of current (I) came from. If you remove it, you get exactly the answer choice: 2 E 4 m/s.
grae313 20071007 15:11:30 
It comes from squaring the radius (d/2) to get the cross sectional area

  Ben 20051201 13:23:38  I did it using unit analysis sort of. Boils down to the same thing but I get much closer to 2E4.
100A = 100 C/s
(100 C/s)*(1/1.6E19 e/C) = 6.25E20 e/s
r^2 = E4
(E4 m^2)*(1E28 e/m^3) = E24 e/m (of wire)
Finally:
(6.25E20 e/s)*(1/E24 m/e) which gives pretty close to 2E4
(hopefully my latex pi's worked)
yosun 20051202 01:10:35 
ben: your LaTeX came out iffy. you should have used a \ (backslash) sign before your pi's (and other latex commands) so that you typeset instead of . it's been manually corrected.
(for everyone else with typos i didn't get to catch: over winter break, i'd code options for editposts, among other features.)

 




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